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Honesty is important.

JugadorComun 04 Nov 2024 21:34

Let’s clarify a few things. I find those votes to be quite misleading, as the map has serious issues.

The first and most critical problem is the crash caused by the SG shotgun (the custom script).
The optimization is very poor (please optimize it properly), both in the files and the polygons of each area in EVERY MAP of the series.
Some areas of certain maps are not intuitive at all, which leaves you processing for an hour trying to figure out where to go.
For the love of God, please balance some weapons, including those with scripts. There are about three weapons that are completely useless, dealing only 1 HP damage (the scripted ones).
Overall, the maps are poorly balanced, which makes several areas VERY BORING.
Oxygen does not function properly (especially in the first map).
Lastly, what is the need to give NPCs so much health? There are other, more feasible solutions regarding NPC HP.

Re: Honesty is important.

Garompa 04 Nov 2024 23:04

Tests with people always went well with no crashes. But I'm worried about that script crash if you are sure you are not using any weapon plugins, buy menus, fallguys plugin, or any other known to crash. If it happens to more people, I'll remove the weapon and be done with it.
About optimization, this is a bspguy merging experiment, there is no way to optimize the maps polys. Having said that, they were very well optimized except the last map Quasar (from nexon obviously). Either way, nobody had FPS problems except for the VGer boss fight, which was fixed and got an extra 30fps. If you keep getting low fps all throughout the maps I'm afraid to tell you then it might be your pc, or you having high poly custom models for the game, or both. During tests we got solid 140fps except for the vger boss fight which went down to 80, and now its back at 110ish. This was because the armory room had lots of items, that were already there. Making them spawn later as much as I could helped.
About the balance, I understand, I tried my best to balance them but since I'm not a scripter there wasn't much I could do. On top of that its not much about damage in this case but what type of damage those weapons do, which somtimes cannot be changed otherwise the scripts could break. Since most enemies are robots, they have armor making some weapons useless in maps 3 forward, like the Stinger. Although that gun for example can be very useful in the stadium against aliens.
The maps also were made for several players in mind, taking into account the OP weapons also some npcs were very easy to kill with 3 players, so I buffed them a little bit more.
About oxygen its just a way to fight outside in space without much worry, but when the ships shields are down you might still get damaged, this was intentional but might end up changing it if its too annoying.

Re: Honesty is important.

Vaelastrasz 05 Nov 2024 01:24

I read obve issue report. Polygons case, sven coop can handle maximum 320k polygons. I only happen fps drop in last map (a lot of entity + world mapping) other are fine to me.

Re: Honesty is important.

JugadorComun 05 Nov 2024 02:04

Dear map creator,

Please don't take this the wrong way, but regarding the "FPS" issue, I really don't know where you got your so-called "tests" from to claim such high FPS. And no, my PC doesn’t have low FPS in all maps—it's specifically with yours, especially in the first part of the series where the FPS drop is the worst. I tested it with a friend, and we were getting between 8-25 FPS. In the rest of the maps in the series, the situation improved, even so, there was one or another area that was not working properly.". Therefore, I seriously doubt your claim that "NO ONE" had issues with this.

Another point is about the weapon. Yes, it is exactly as I said—I didn't change anything in my SC, nor did I add or remove anything. Please don't insist or suggest that I modified or altered anything related to the scripts, because that’s simply NOT TRUE.

As for the balance in the scripting part, I understand it’s not your area of expertise, but you need to be more aware when using these kinds of scripts. I’m sure they’re quite old and haven’t been updated, which leads to situations like in your series where the weapons lose their purpose, and it negatively affects the gameplay. I'm not just talking about the robots (although I am fully aware that they have armor, and I take that into consideration).

Finally, the issue with oxygen: what I’m trying to say is that it DOESN'T WORK. Shouldn’t it be functional when you leave the ship?

Please don’t take me for a fool or as a new player, because I’ve been playing this game for over 10 years, so let me make it clear. (I mean this in the sense that I know how to install a map, and when playing a map, you need to be aware of everything you have, use, or install in your SC.)

Re: Honesty is important.

JugadorComun 05 Nov 2024 03:06

Please remember, I’m not saying this in a bad way or anything—it's simply feedback from an average player. Greetings from Argentina, and please don't take my comment the wrong way.

Re: Honesty is important.

Vaelastrasz 05 Nov 2024 07:06

I want to ask 2 things for you…

1. Did you just played map in 5.25 version ?
2. Can i ask your PC specs ?

2 case Sven Co-op engine is changed 10 years ago… since 4.07 update, Sven Co-op Engine limit upgraded that reason there are high quality maps produced. So low end pc sometimes happen FPS drop in high quality map.

Re: Vaelastrasz

JugadorComun 05 Nov 2024 15:19

I have strong suspicions that you're a bot… Some of the things you're telling me don't really add up. Anyway, I'll explain just in case
. To respond to your first comment about 'Vaelastrasz,' let me put it simply: the more 'polys,' the lower the FPS (I know it's a more complex issue, but I'm simplifying it). Therefore, hitting the '320k' polygon limit would be absurd. What I'm saying is that it's possible to reduce it and improve performance. Keep in mind, for example, if you're running a public server, it could overload the processor, and several players might find it unplayable due to FPS drops on lower-end PCs xD. As for your other comment, I used version 5.26 to play the series. And no, I don’t have a super low-performance PC—I just want to clarify that my average FPS in Sven Co-op is between 160 and 60. Also, I want to speak up for those who don’t have a high-end PC. Not all of us have powerful, cutting-edge machines. A little empathy for the Latin American community would be appreciated; that’s all I ask.

Last edited on 05 Nov 2024 15:27 by JugadorComun Show more

Re: Honesty is important.

Four-Nines 05 Nov 2024 17:58

"I find those votes to be quite misleading"
you mad bro?

Last edited on 05 Nov 2024 17:59 by Four-Nines Show more

Re: Honesty is important.

Garompa 05 Nov 2024 20:02

There are no bots in this wiki, and she's not a bot as you can see in the video from this page.
Your report about the shotgun script crash is true, appreciated and was fixed today, no more crashing. It was an issue from the script's author.
The oxygen was fixed as well, now the items also respawn. Alongside a few other quality of life fixes in v1c.
As for the fps drops, the only places where that happened it was fixed, so no more lagging, you are the only one that is reporting that its everywhere. Either you have a very veeery low end pc (or worse, laptop, or much worse, a notebook), using high poly custom models, or using addons or plugins that may conflict and create unwanted lag, or any of the above combined… In that case, about reducing fps I cannot help you as it would mean deleting entire entities from the map. You might struggle then in the first and last maps because there are rooms full of weapons and ammo, and rendering that many items at once for an extremelly low end pc can for sure mean death. But in that case this map will not be the only one you have to worry about then.
Also I understand some players from argentina use a free government notebook, and if you are using that then you are in death row. Maybe it could work for half life or counter strike, but sven co-op is way more demanding and has higher requirements, there are lots of npcs, items, scripts, many times the map size, etc that those other games just dont have and even if you can run Sven on minimum, it means on some maps you will explode.
I don't have a cutting edge PC, I put it together in 2018, and with medium to low specs, and that was an upgrade. I've been playing sven with way less since 2004. The lowest i had was an integrated graphics with pentium 3. Sven would run at 30fps max, and I assume playing this map with that would probably get you 5-8fps in some places. If your case is something like this then your pc might be as old as 2005-2010, almost 15 years behind. This is not even asking for medium end graphics, neither VR or RTX, but to get laggy in sven you really must be using ancient hardware.

Four-Nines 05 Nov 2024 05:28

Overdose of epicness
Thanks for including my music btw, it's a very nice for me :3

Last edited on 05 Nov 2024 05:29 by Four-Nines Show more

hell yeah

marshfreakinghoppers 10 Nov 2024 03:37

DAMN BRO YOU REALLY COOKED HERE! :fire: i played it solo, this was very fun and epic, except for the part that i died 31 times trying to kill a non moving mech tank surrounded by 200 robots and turrets, everything else was good. (except for the epoly optimization in some parts like the first and last map)

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its okay

JohnDubbleu 10 Nov 2024 13:54

all the good elements of a sven map
- enemy spam
- absolute no guidance or signage to where to go or what to do
- all enemies are named after random people
- massive amounts of fps drop
- massive amounts of enemies regardless of player count
- ported assets from here, there and everywhere
- weapons that range from useless to incredibly overpowered.. no balance at all

however.
it is a fun map.. and it does just throw you right into combat.. once you have a general idea of whats going on and work out where you've to go..

but damn could you at very minimum put all the content for the map into a folder named after the map? 69 folders

Re: its okay

Garompa 10 Nov 2024 17:01

I could try reducing fps loss a bit more by removing or merging items, although that would destroy the detail :(
I did put all the custom assets into one folder (scmod/boderbot/), but only the ones that don't exist anywhere else. As for the assets from other maps, they are in their original folders and thats why there are a ton more folders. This is packed like this on purpose to reduce HDD space in your sven folder. So instead of adding 400mb+ extra on your drive, if you already have the other maps it would be perhaps 200 ;)

As for the rest of the points, I'll try adding more hints of where to go, reduce enemy health, and buff some of the more useless weapons.

Good Series

darkfvtvre 11 Dec 2024 11:18

Some of the puzzles to get into the next areas got kind of confusing. Will replay it with some friends. Got to the fourth part. Very nice selection of weapons and great variety of enemies. Good atmosphere too.

Last edited on 25 Dec 2024 18:03 by darkfvtvre Show more

sword666 15 Jan 2025 09:54

This is quite an advancement in the length of play per map! Awesome weapons and robots to fight against. Very cool campaign to play with others. Just fantastic map series. One time the key on level 2 wouldnt work for me but someone else used it. Was fun to figure out. Server also started lagging on level 2 :D

Last edited on 15 Jan 2025 09:56 by sword666 Show more

SV BOY 16 Jan 2025 22:04

the gunman chronicles sniper doesnt show up in the hud and it probably conflicts with an existing weapon

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Garompa 18 Jan 2025 03:37

The sniper is the pistol. It transforms when you pick up the sniper parts. So it stays as the pistol in the hud. If the gunman pistol is not there then any conflicts could be from any plugins from the server.

SV BOY 18 Jan 2025 15:19

oh whoop my bad then, i forgot thats gunman's thing

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5/5 excelente para jugar entre muchas gente

monnchips_yt 26 Feb 2025 16:05

Gran espacio y con muchos enemigos. Todo a excepción del final me encantó, excelente para stremear con mucha gente, entra a mi lista de mapas favoritos<3

Love the map and very nice Unreal Tournament feeling !

neophus 01 May 2025 19:37

Excellent work, it really got me back in the past when I was playing Unreal Tournament. The goals and the way to defend the ship in the first map is amazing, with some very fun enemies to fight. The graphics, sprites, sky boxes and models are amazing too. This is it for the first map.

However, the rest is not so good, long corridors, many weapons that finally are not so useful. The spawns are sometimes too far and the miss of armor doesn't help to fight all the enemies with too many HP.

It's a shame, because the main idea is good, but many points need balancing.

Last edited on 08 May 2025 19:07 by neophus Show more

A bit too much

loulimi 04 May 2025 16:17

I really enjoyed many elements of this series: many new weapons, enemies, and a diverse set of maps, sometimes with impressive scenes.
In the end however, I found it was a bit too much: the gameplay is not diverse at all as it involves shooting enemies with way too much HP way too many times, there are so many weapons we don't know which one to use (which is made worse by the fact we respawn without the weapons, we have to pick them up), and vger's voice alongside the constant noise from combats, voice-over and music soon becomes overwhelming. Overall it was a very repetitive experience that dragged on for too long, though the map on which the last part of the series is based on brings a refreshing change and is visually impressive.
I wouldn't recommend playing the whole series with friends, maybe just the first and the last. I suppose it can be a good fit with a lot of players on a public server though.

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